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Poll: French Fries vs. Bun at McDonalds?

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What's a better choice from a histamine perspective:

McDonalds French Fries or the Bun which goes with a plain hamburger?

I ordered large fries and two double-hamburgers (plain), no bun.  My thinking was to avoid the yeast in the hamburger bun.

Thoughts?

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Mike

 



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Hi Mike!

French Fries: Potatoes, canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, safflower oil, natural flavour (vegetable source), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain colour), citric acid (preservative), dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent) and cooked in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with THBQ, citric acid and dimethylpolysiloxane).
Salt: Salt, silicoaluminate, dextrose, potassium iodide.

Big Mac® Bun: Enriched wheat flour, water, high fructose corn syrup and/or glucose-fructose and/or sugar, yeast, vegetable oil (soybean and/or canola), salt, sesame seeds, calcium sulphate, calcium propionate, monoglycerides, enzymes, azodicarbonamide, AND MAY CONTAIN ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING IN VARYING PROPORTIONS: diacetyl tartaric acid esters of mono and diglycerides, BHT, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, wheat starch, calcium peroxide, wheat gluten, sorbitol, dextrin, malted barley flour, ascorbic acid, citric acid, calcium stearate, calcium iodate, silicon dioxide. CONTAINS: WHEAT, BARLEY, SESAME SEEDS

http://www1.mcdonalds.ca/NutritionCalculator/IngredientFactsEN.pdf

So:

I can't do potatoes. It might be a serotonin thing, but I was told no potatoes by my practitioner.
I'm allergic to soy (as many people are) and soy is inherently high histamine.
Natural flavors are not. They are listed on the Mastocytosis Canada list of histamine triggers.
The anti-foaming agent, silicoaluminate are likely to also be histamine triggers

I don't even know where to start with the bun.

Mike, I could not actually begin to compare these two or think that there's any way that a person dealing with histamine issues would not, on the spot, be subjected to mast cell degranulation from being exposed to these ingredients. Please don't forget, it really can take 48 hours for histamine levels to properly rise, so you may attribute the eventual fall out of this meal to something else.

I know I'm pretty hard core nutrition-wise, but that's because I honestly believe that the 20/21st century is what broke my body. When I travel to Bali/Kenya/some places in Morocco/Egypt where there's no pesticides/chlorinated water/chemicals I feel almost normal. Discounting chemicals as a trigger is doing us a disservice. As such, I could never entertain anything like McDonalds as something I would subject my body too.

But I'm pretty hardcore :) It's my choice so I can live (kind of) normally without any meds.

Do you feel ok after eating stuff like this? Do you manage everything without meds? How bad is your histamine issue?

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Thanks so much for the reply. I've been trying to deduce the specific cause of what certainly appears to be a food reaction. I'm embarrassed to say that I've been going around in circles for nearly 3 years. Fortunately, I've been keeping a food diary during that entire time so I've spent a ton of time going back and looking for patterns.

At this point, I feel 95% certain it is histamine based.

For me, it's multiple symptoms.

Mostly, it's eyes bloodshot and hurting, with light sensitivity, combined with tension headache, sometimes escalating to full blown migraine with impaired vision (always 15 minutes before headache).

The other common set of symptoms is muscle pain/cramping, with feet and hands cramping.

Also, severe brain fog and inability to think and function.

Two years ago, I had the worst experience ever after cooking a 5 pound corned beef roast in my slow cooker, and eating 10 to 15 ounces a day for 5 days. After 5th day, every muscle in my back & body froze up and I was in dire pain and could not move off the couch.

One year ago today, I was feeling fine, then went to an xmas party in which I pigged out on huge quantity of parm cheese mac & cheese, bacon wrapped scallops, alcohol, and marinated steak. The next day I felt like I was instantly 50 years older (muscles stiff, feeling terrible).

I considered histamine reactions several times over the last 2 years, but there were some really bad reactions that didn't quite fit so I moved onto testing other hypothesis.

I just recently figured out that despite all my food diaries, I never wrote down how old (or how many days left-over) the food was.

I'm on the verge of concluding that even foods that are supposed to be ok (like cauliflower) if eaten 3 days later can cause a really bad reaction.

The reason for my mcdonald's question is that I think cooking ground beef in the morning, then bringing it to work might not be the best idea. McDonalds beef is cooked from frozen state and they have a huge turn-over so it seemed like that might be a better bet. I wanted more than just plain meat patties so I wanted bread or fries, though reading your ingredients, I can see why that might not be good for someone actively having problems.

I think that once I remove the high histamine foods from staples in my diet, I will be fine. When I have flare-ups, it's always after eating large quantities of offending foods day after day after day.

I'm pretty optimistic as I think I'm in the home stretch of putting all the pieces together.

For the last several days, I started a new breakfast routine:
1.5 cups milk, 1/4 cup cream of quinoa/rice, 1.5oz coconut oil, 1T of sugar, cooked for 20 minutes. It's really filling and delicious.

Lunch while at work remains a big concern.

Anyway, thanks for providing this great forum for people to share experiences,

Mike

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I'm tweaking my fast food lunch dilemma:

I'm switching from McDonalds Frozen beef patty to Wendy's "never frozen" because:

Wendy's offers a plain baked potato. I added 1.5oz of my own coconut oil (plain), and lots of salt.

It was a delicious lunch!

Basically, I decided that the risk of histamines in the french fry oil is higher than frozen vs. fresh ground beef.

I'll make sure to report back!

Mike


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Mike, based on your symptoms it certainly sounds like histamine. I had ALL of your symptoms (and plenty more). The cramping was a real nightmare, it was so bad at times that it was more like an epileptic seizure.

I also had a lot of arthritic pains that would kick off after certain foods.

You are 100% correct in your leftover hypothesis. Bacteria = high histamine and tyramine. I do not eat ANY processed foods that have accumulated any bacteria. MEat and fish I have little control over beyond buying the very freshest possible. Is your food diary something you can email me? I'm happy to take a look and tell you if I can spot something.

For most of the world, the golden standard for diagnosis is whether you respond to the diet. Here's some tips http://thelowhistaminechef.com/the-low-histamine-diet-foods-faq/

Did you read this? http://thelowhistaminechef.com/the-histamine-detox/

How did you feel after that lunch? Is there a microwave or toaster in your office? Can you bring one there? Can't you buy ground beef and nuke it in the office with a little oil? You ok with large amounts of coconut oil?

Please try to rotate your foods a little so you don't start reacting to them...

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